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 Post subject: lip sync
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:39 pm 
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Hi Guys!
Its been a while since I have had some spare time to do my own animation. Here is the first pass at a short test i want to do.
http://vimeo.com/64864549
Iv only worked on the lip sync so far and I would love to hear your thoughts on it.

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:27 pm 
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Bit hard to see at that distance, but the mouth is opening too far with each word (especially at the start), giving it that sock-puppet feeling. Grab a mirror and say "all good things" (near the start) and see how far your jaw moves down - not very much during any of it. If you open your mouth too wide to say "things", it starts becoming "thangs".

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:04 pm 
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Thanks Worzel! Il redo it and post again when i make some significant progress

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:27 am 
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iv toned down some of the mouth movements a tad and added some movement to the body
http://vimeo.com/65290654.
All C&C are welcome!

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:10 pm 
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Way too heavy on the brow drop around frame 30 when he blinks. Keep it subtle, especially since he blinks again moments after, so it's creating a lot of distracting brow movement at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:46 pm 
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Keep paying attention to the amount the mouth is moving, the jaw movement; it's quite puppety at the beginning ("it's like they say"). Saying it myself I notice that I don't open my mouth again when saying "they", I open on "like" and my tongue forms "they" as I'm still closing my mouth, then I open again for "say". Try not to think of it as separate words but as a whole phrase. We tend to be lazy when we talk ;)

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:08 pm 
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awesome feedback, I will definitely work it into the next version of the shot.

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:18 am 
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I re blocked the body and toned down some of the facial animation.
Im also trying to give him Forest Whitaker kind of eye.


http://vimeo.com/66143321

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:49 am 
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Maybe too much brow movement around frame 60.

What's he doing at the end with the finger tap? Is there a reason for it?

Rest looking good.

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:56 pm 
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I didnt notice the last post but I got rid of the huge eyebrow movements anyway.
Here is the updated version of the shot
http://vimeo.com/67132426

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:00 pm 
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Looking better. Hey, I was wondering how you approach eyebrow movement, and blinks. Like how do you decide when to move eyebrows? I try to justify the decisions I make about moving stuff on the face and relate it directly to the audio. Mostly, it's based on the tone of the voice. If it's pretty flat, I don't do anything with the eyebrows. When there are little changes in tone, like the voice raises slightly, then I try to match with a little bit of lift in the eyebrows. That way the face reactions and voice appear to come from the same source and have the same change in energy.

Based on that, I feel like the brows are a bit random in places. Sorry, I don't have speakers right now, so I can't be more detailed (I had a listen quickly earlier). But maybe go through and justify to yourself each and every brow movement or blink you've decided to make your character do. That way the visual story you tell matches the one you can hear, and that in turn will strengthen the overall delivery to your audience.

Oh, and just remember you've chosen a very low key bit of audio... that doesn't have much contrast in it, so that really means the animation will also be quite flat to match it. This is possibly an exercise in restraint as much as it is an exercise in good animation!
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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:23 pm 
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Did a bit more work on this shot, completely re-did the lip sync and the eyes/brows.

http://vimeo.com/68740201

Would love to hear peoples thoughts on it.

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 Post subject: Re: lip sync
PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:12 pm 
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Eyebrows much better. Part that's weird is on "good" (from "all good things") when he blinks and holds his eyes closed, and has a big brow movement before the yes open.

On the lip sync side, the mouth is definitely less choppy, but there are shapes that don't work. At the end when he's saying "money", the lips don't appear to close. Same thing for when he says "burnt", the lips don't appear to close. Any word starting with M, B, P, must have closed lips at the start. Even if the lips are slightly open, or if there's a gap on just one side of the mouth, then you can't say those sounds.

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